Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

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Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby FORTUETA » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:29 am

Hi friends,

Finally I have changed my X1 version.
I have been using 5.2.3 version (year 2005) because it was the last version that worked fine with accented characters

See:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3376

I like V8.2.4 but I can´t make some searches like I used in V5.2.3

I save my Outlook email in a Windows folder (*.msg)

If I am searching an email that have a *.xls file attached i write:
Name: xlsx
Filetype: msg

It works with V5.2.3.
It does not work with 8.2.3
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Any idea?

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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby Kenward » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:03 am

Search in the attachments column for xlsx?
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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby FORTUETA » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:59 pm

Hi Kenward,
Thank you for reading and answering.

I am not searching inside Outlook
I store all my emails out of outlook, as *.msg files.
I work in a small company and this way we can share email data.

Attachments column only works into Outlook.

5.2.3. version was capable to index files extensions attached to msg files.

I have made more tests.

I have an msg file stored.
This file, has an xlsx called "horas de maquinaria" attached.
The xls file has the word "Ayuda" written in a cell.

If I type "ayuda" on the main search field, X1 finds this word in the xls file attached to a msg file.

But if I write "horas de maquinaria" (xls filename) in mail search field X1 does not find the msg file.

It is not working well
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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby FORTUETA » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:26 am

I think that it is a bug.
I will describe it again as bug.
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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby Kenward » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:56 am

First, update to 8.3.

Then, what do you mean by mail search field?

.msg files are not email files. In other words, they are not a part of the Outlook system. You have deliberately removed them from Outlook. So search tactics for Outlook or other email may not be relevant for .msg files.

There are plenty of messages out in Google land on the challenge of indexing and searching the contents of msg files.

You seem to have devised a way to do what you want. Perhaps that it how things are supposed to work.
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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby FORTUETA » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:25 am

I last version.

I do not use Outlook search tactics.
I use file search tactics.

X1 indexes *.msg extension (see x1 indexing extesion list).

Maybe you do not understand me, my english is bad.

I have a *.msg file, called "My books.msg".
This *msg file has a attachment called "Lords of the rongs.docx".
The attachment has thousands of words, one of them is "abracadabra".

Ok,

If I use X1 main search field with the word "abracadabra" X1 shows as result the file "My books.msg", but
If I use X1 main search field with the word "Lords", X1 does not show as result the file "My books.msg" because there is a bug and X1 is indexing full attachment content but is not indexing attachment filename,

X1 version 5 indexes the filename
Pls try it.
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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby Kenward » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:02 am

So what is this mail search field that you talk about?

Attachments are email attachments.

To quote the help file:

Selecting Attachments will find matching results in any email attachment, including the body of the attachment and/or any attachment metadata field. Your search will be applied to any attachment regardless of what type of Outlook item it was attached to (Email, Calendar entry, Contact or Task).


It is very confusing to use terms that X1 uses for its support of Outlook in completely different contexts.

If a msg file has a second file associated with it, that second file is not an attachment in the sense that X1 and Outlook use that term.

I suspect that this is true in all of the languages that Outlook and X1 support.
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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby FORTUETA » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:10 pm

I say "main search field" (no mail search field)
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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby nheiner » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:57 am

Kenward, I'm afraid you're unaware of an established Microsoft Outlook technique for enveloping emails. Fortueta is using this technique. Most users/developers are unaware of it. Here is how to understand what Fortueta is talking about.

1. Un-maximize your Outlook client window so you can work with the main Outlook pane and an email window simultaneously.
2. Ctl-N to create a new empty email and slide that window to the side.
3. In the Outlook navigator pane, find an existing email with an attachment, Ctl-right-click on that message, and slide it over to the body of your empty-message window, dropping it into that empty message.
4. Voila! You have a .msg file inside the email... and that file will have the attachment embedded.
5. There are other techniques for amassing large volumes of .msg files and storing them in NTFS, rather than as attachments as in my example...this is where old X1 used to pick them up. Fortueta is apparently using this technique.
6. My guess is that the Version-8 developers did not understand what this portion of the old codebase was doing, and so they left it behind when building the Version 8 from scratch.

Such is software development...

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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby Kenward » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:12 am

nheiner wrote:Kenward, I'm afraid you're unaware of an established Microsoft Outlook technique for enveloping emails.


Nope. I am well aware of the use of .msg files. The things litter my system.

Then again, use of the word "enveloping" could confuse people. That words is usually used differently in an email context.

In this case, as I understand the original message, the msg file is the "envelope", to use your word, for xls files. As you said the key bit is "with an attachment". And X1 isn't finding content within that attachment.

Unless you have a way of making this work?
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Re: Differences between V5.2.3 V8.2.4

Postby FORTUETA » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:47 pm

Hi,
I use MS Outlook.
I recieve lots of emails (with attachments)
I like to archive these emails out of Outlook, in a windows folder.
If you copy and paste (in a folder) an email from Outlook to a windows folder you get an *.msg file.
This file contains the original attachments.
X1 V5.2 version was able to indexing the filenames of the attached files of the folder stored *msg files (but was unable to index the attached file content).
X1 V8 is able to indexing the content of the attached files, but is unable to index the filename of the attached file.
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