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PDF Search Term Highlighting in preview window

Postby DaVo » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:10 am

Hi all,

I already posted my problem here: (http://forums.x1.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5014) as it is exactly what I experience, but as it is the wrong board I would like to post it here again:

I'm currently searching for a supporting tool to find parts of text in my scanned PDFs as I'm trying to go for a paperless office. For this, I need a powerful search tool with PDF-indexing. I hoped to find such in X1 search and really like the GUI, the way of searching and the possibities like "Open folder". What I really don't like is the fact, that the file preview of X1 does not highlight the search terms that I was searching for. I learnt already, that this has something to do with the way the files are scanned. But honestly: The competitors that I'm trying out concurrently (Copernic Desktop search and Lookeen) indeed DO highlight the correct words in the same files. So this is definitively a matter of X1. Where I have to say that I generaty my PDFs with Kodak Capture Pro, which is a high quality professional tool and is not in discussion to be changed

So could anyone tell my whether there are plans to change the file preview of X1 to be able to highlight the search terms in the future? Otherwise I regret to be forced to take one of the (in many other cases worse) competitors.
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Re: PDF Search Term Highlighting in preview window

Postby Kenward » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:43 am

You will not get a different answer from the one posted in the other section.

What you are seeing is a "feature" of scanned PDF files. They consist of an image of the scan with a text overlay.

X1 seems to search the text overlay to find words but displays the image. It is not capable of presenting the two at the same time.

X1 uses Inso viewers to show the files it finds. These are also the viewers used in QuickView Plus. Unfortunately, these can't highlight words in scanned PDFs either. I'm not sure that it can even find words.

As I have said already, X1 is looking into using newer viewers. There is a new version of QuickView Plus, but it now requires an expensive annual licence, so I am not going to investigate that to see if it fixes this defect.

Out of interest, which index and search software have you found that can highlight text in scanned PDFs? The only software that seems to come near X1 is dtSearch, albeit much more expensive.
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Re: PDF Search Term Highlighting in preview window

Postby DaVo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:32 am

First: Thank you for your support. Please don't fell offended, I just thought that probably anyone from X1 is looking into this board and can tell anything less-rumoric. For example it would be very interesting to know some timeline for "the new viewer". This year? 2020?

As I have said already, Copernic Desktop Search as well as Lookeen can both highlight the text in the same scanned PDFs, that X1 is obviously only showing as image. So it is working in some way and it would be very sad if X1 cannot solve this in the near future (especially as I'm not the only one looking for this feature).
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Re: PDF Search Term Highlighting in preview window

Postby Kenward » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:33 am

If the X1 team wants to add more to the information you have seen already, they will contribute to this discussion. They visit the forum regularly and will contribute when they have something that they want to add. For a personal response, send them a support request.
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Re: PDF Search Term Highlighting in preview window

Postby tophee » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:33 pm

This is indeed a deal breaker. Are there any news about switching to a new pdf viewer?
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Re: PDF Search Term Highlighting in preview window

Postby Kenward » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:17 pm

X1 uses the same same Stellent viewers as other software houses.

I have just looked at two alternative viewers that also use Stellent technology.

Both have the same defect and show PDF files with the wrong characters.

By coincidence, one of those viewers comes from QuickView, the people behind the viewer technology, Oracle.

In the past I have updated to the paid-for version of QuickView, QuickView Plus. That has sometimes mended these defects. This year, the turned QuickView into an expensive "subscription" product. So I passed up on the upgrade.

Looks like Oracle is shafting the software industry with its defective viewers.

Time for X1 to do something about this.
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Re: PDF Search Term Highlighting in preview window

Postby Peter Pan » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:32 am

DaVo wrote:I just thought that probably anyone from X1 is looking into this board and can tell anything less-rumoric. For example it would be very interesting to know some timeline for "the new viewer". This year? 2020?


Yeah! Maybe 2020 will be the right time to get this working! Because in june 2019, this "bug" is still there! I will give a try to the trial version of QuickView Plus 2017. Just by curiosity as it does not integrate in X1 and I can "simply" open files in the result panel in Adobe Reader or any other PDF reader and search again for the same patterns. AFAIK QuickView would not save any time in this process.

Another defect: The viewer cannot render fonts which are "Custom" encoded like NimbusSanL (embedded subset). Rendering is incorrect in the preview window with another police but wrong characters making it unreadable although indexing, searching and highlighting found patterns work fine! But found then highlighted patterns remain unreadable.

I find this defect more annoying because I can't read neither the preview nor the highlighted patterns found in it.

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